The ISRAEL PALESTINE TOWERS Project

Within this website is a new short eBook titled "Israel Palestine Towers" that is copyrighted with all rights reserved. It offers a new and unique solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict.

You may view this eBook on this website whenever you like to and often as you like. We decided to make it available on the Internet for quick and easy access by Israelis, Palestinians, and members of the United Nations.

John Chin presents

ISRAEL PALESTINE TOWERS
(click here to read the book)

SOLVING THE WATER PROBLEM (added May 15, 2005)

PRO-PALESTINIAN FEEDBACK:

I personally think it sounds like a great idea. I think both sides would be less likely to harm the other if they were integrated. It's much easier to harm someone or something you see as being completely separate from yourself.

Just my thoughts

Aliya - 09 December 2004

your idea sounds intriguing, and is a welcome peaceful step in the right direction....

Sl{ULLCALL - 24 December 2004

Your idea is acceptable to me-a brilliant bridge to join people of the same land to share the benefit of peaceful co existance. A semetic union of ideals. I know that your towers have nothing to do with the Babel.

BAGHAWY - 26 December 2004

NEUTRAL FEEDBACK:

Your book was very interesting, thought-provoking and creative. The way you started out - dispelling the "all men are equal" myth - was really good. I agree 100%. A lecturer I heard said, "all men are CREATED equal; not BORN equal". Meaning that our souls are created equal, but that as humans, we are not born equal, birth after birth.

All of the building details that you included show how much effort and energy you have put into the project. It is always encouraging to find out that someone has put some original thinking into a problem, and not just rehashed the old, failed solution atttempts. Have you sent your message to the U.N, U.S. Congress or our Executive branch? It would be interesting to see how they respond. Good luck with the project!

STF - June 19, 2005

PRO-ISRAELI FEEDBACK & MY REPLY:

John, It is good of you to think of the conflict in the Middle-East, and offer what you understand as a solution. However, it appears that you have not researched the conflict enough to understand the reasons for it. Your basic error is contained in your sentence: "There was simply not enough land to divide in any satisfactory manner for both sides".

Israel comprises 0.01% of surrounding Arab lands. Over two-thirds of this 0.01% is extreme desert and non-arable land. The reason for the Arab rejection of Israel has nothing to do with land, but ideology - mostly due to fundamentalist Muslims, or despotic regimes, using this to control and rule their subjects. When Jordan and Egypt made peace with Israel - all lands won in previous wars was returned to them.

I suggest you read up on this subject far more extensively, and visit the country as well, if you really want to better understand.

Teddy - 25 January 2005

Dear Teddy,

I did research this issue both before and after assembling my book. I have been a silent bystander for decades, while Arabs and Israelis killed each other.

I totally disagree with your viewpoint that this has nothing to do with LAND. If Hitler never massacred Jews and the United Nations never declared the creation of a State of Israel in 1947, THIS CONFLICT WOULD NOT EXIST!!!

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Furthermore, I have read the Holy Bible (both Old & New Testaments) three times. I am aware of the history of Israel during Biblical times. Jehovah (or God or the Supreme Being) took away the homeLAND of his Chosen People, the Jews, for a reason and did not instruct the United Nations or anybody to give it back to them.

Your statement "Israel comprises 0.01% of surrounding Arab lands. Over two-thirds of this 0.01% is extreme desert and non-arable land." bears no weight with this issue. Examine maps of Israel during Biblical times. (Since Jews believe and follow Judaism, which basically uses the first five books of the Holy Bible (a.k.a. The Books of Moses) for their Torah or foundation scriptures, they must accept the fact that Israel was always a tiny place in the Middle East.)

Regards,
John Chin - 28 January 2005

P.S.

Perhaps, I don't know everything, but I do know a lot more than you think I do.

Click on the button labeled "Articles" on my web site that I last edited on December 23, 2004. There you will find links to all UN resolutions regarding the Israel/Palestine conflict that I have read and thought about, before responding to your first message this morning (on January 27, 2005).

It is obvious that you are not seeing the entire BIG picture. I hope that you (and all Jews) spend a few minutes and consider what Palestinians have gone through (and still going through). Put yourself in their shoes. (Before you accuse me of taking sides with the Palestinians, please note that I am NOT a Palestine NOR an Israel supporter.)

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I don't want anyone to get side-tracked by all of your comments, so I'm going repeat myself: LAND is at very core of the Israel/Palestine conflict.

If all Israelis left the LAND assigned to them by the UN (not by God), there would be no conflict. Also, if all Palestinians were to be kind enough to grant Israelis (as their God would surely want them to) a measly 0.01% of Arab territory for their homeLAND, there would be no conflict.

It is very clear that all you want me to do is to agree with you and support the Israeli point of view. However, I AM NEUTRAL AND WILL NOT JOIN ANY SIDE IN THIS CONFLICT.

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In regards to your concern about water, there is no water problem. I have addressed the water problem separately in an appendix that I added to my book.

John,

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You want 'displaced' 'palestinians' to be allowed back in the territories, which would mean Jews would outnumber Arabs.

Another serious flaw is the idea that Israelis would want to live in a building full of 'palestinians' - and without any serious security measures between them! Permeable borders are an invitation for terrorists, and no Israeli would put his family in that situation.

Matt - Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:58:11 +0100



Matt,

Didn't God give his Chosen People ten commandments, one of which is "Thou shall not kill"?

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<< You want 'displaced' 'palestinians' to be allowed back in the territories, which would mean Jews would outnumber Arabs.>>

I don't know where you get this idea from.

The Towers are to be erected wherever the final borders are determined to be in the Gaza Strip and West Bank. This can be done by the leaders of Israel and Palestine or by me (if needed).

Once erected, the Towers will form permanent borders for the States of Israel and (two parts of) Palestine, that will be quite difficult to change. Furthermore, the borders formed by the Towers will be more difficult to change than any other type of border that Israel can possibly build.



<< Another serious flaw is the idea that Israelis would want to live in a building full of 'palestinians' - and without any serious security measures between them! Permeable borders are an invitation for terrorists, and no Israeli would put his family in that situation.>>

You see it as a flaw, I don't as a neutral party. It is the only way for Israelis and Palestinians to ever live together peacefully.

With the Towers, there may be some crime, but no terrorism. Why don't you ask the terrorists what they think about the Israel Palestine Towers solution?

Regards,
John - Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:08:44 -0700 (PDT)



John,

"Didn't God give his Chosen People ten commandments, one of which is "Thou shall not kill"?"

The correct translation is 'though shalt not murder'.



"I don't know where you get this idea from."

Page 15: The Israel Palestine Towers Residence will offer residential apartment units to house many displaced families and individuals.

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Have is it occurred to you that this might not work? Because you seem adamant that it will.

Matt - Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:16:17 +0100



Matt,

<< The correct translation is 'though shalt not murder'. >>

Every Holy Bible (except the Hebrew Bible) that I know of says "Thou shall not KILL". Perhaps, this is the Hebrew way of rationalizing their killings? In any case, planning and killing terrorists may be politically correct and justice, but it is also 100% murder in God's eyes.



<< Page 15: The Israel Palestine Towers Residence will offer residential apartment units to house many displaced families and individuals.>>

This means that Israelis will occupy their half of the Towers on "Israeli territory" and Palestinians (possibly, including those "displaced") will occupy their half of the Towers on "Palestinian territory".



<< Have is it occurred to you that this might not work? Because you seem adamant that it will. >>

The Towers are to be built only with the full agreement of both sides including terrorists. If the terrorists do not agree, then no Towers.

The Towers are going to cost a lot of money to build. Nobody is going to finance building the Towers without the full agreement and approval by all terrorist groups.

However, I am confident that they (Palestinians & terrorists) will agree. That's because the Towers is absolutely the BEST solution that the Palestinians & terrorists (and Israelis as well) can ever hope for and get.

Regards,
John - Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:13:52 -0700 (PDT)



John,

"This means that Israelis will occupy their half of the Towers on "Israeli territory" and Palestinians (possibly, including those "displaced") will occupy their half of the Towers on "Palestinian territory"."

Why the scare-quotes around Israeli (and palestinian) territory?

Matt - Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:15:38 +0100



Matt,

<< Why the scare-quotes around Israeli (and Palestinian) territory? >>

They are not "scare-quotes". I was just trying to answer your question as clearly as I could.

The Towers do NOT dissolve the State of Israel. The Towers adheres to the U.N. Resolution calling for TWO states.

If Israelis are NOT comfortable with the "open borders" of the Towers (and I believe it is to their advantage to open their arms to their Arab brothers), they would have the option of building a fence with checkpoints outside of the Israeli side of the Towers. This would be an eyesore, but only of minor inconvenience and importance compared to the Towers.



<< Then you don't have a clue. The terrorists, and most of the Arabs, simply want to kill all of the Israelis and destroy Israel. >>

I may not know everything, but I know enough. It seems to me that you see only one side of the story (the Israeli).

As an outsider, I see both sides. Israelis have taken the Palestinians' home LAND that they had for over 1800 years. What did you expect the Palestinians and their brothers and friends to do?

At the same time, I'm not saying that the conflict is the fault of the Israelis. It was clearly the fault of the U.N. for not having any reasonable solution for displaced Palestinians.

I am here to HELP both Israelis and Palestinians. It does me good to debate the merits and demerits of Israelis and Palestinians.

It is clear to me that without the Towers, Israel will never be at peace with Palestine (especially, Palestinian terrorists). To think otherwise is just wishful thinking.

Just think about it. Put yourself in the shoes of a Palestinian and don't forget that Palestinians are not Egyptians, Jordanians or other Arab neighbors, who lost nothing with the U.N. Resolution.

My job is simply to promote the Towers and get them built. If I take a side in this conflict, then I would become an enemy of the other side and not get my job done.

Regards,
John - Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:14:20 -0700 (PDT)



John,

"I may not know everything, but I know enough."

No, no you don't. You've still not said why the terrorists would give up their goal of destroying Israel. Plus, you actually believe the 'Palestinians' have been in Palestine for more than 150 years.

Matt - Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:40:42 +0100



Matt,

If you prefer, I can refer to the "Palestinians" as "Arabs". The U.N. resolution called for a separate state for Arabs. These Arabs are the people who occupied the land of Israel after God (or the Romans) took it away from the Israelis in the first century A.D..

In regards to the first part of your statement, I already said why. The Towers is "absolutely the best solution" the Palestinians & terrorists can ever hope for and get. The Towers best solves the problem of where all displaced Arabs and their descendants go. The U.N. should have addressed and solved this problem in the beginning. Also, the Towers will bring lots of foreign money into the small region, giving Palestinians (& Israelis) and their descendants a better future than they can ever hope for.

The Palestinians will never get these, in such abundance, without the Towers. In other words, without the Towers, what are the Arabs going to get that they did not already have before they went to war? (If nothing, then it will never satisfy the Arabs.)



<< If you deny facts that happen to favor Israel, that's idiocy, not neutrality. >>

I am not debating or denying the right of Israel to statehood, as the Towers will establish permanent boundaries for the States of Israel and Arabs (to be called Palestine or whatever you like.)

Regards,
John - Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:00:41 -0700 (PDT)



John

'These Arabs are the people who occupied the land of Israel after God (or the Romans) took it away from the Israelis in the first century A.D..'

That is factually incorrect. The 'palestinians' are not indigneous, native or whatever term you want to use. I suggest you read the link I gave you.



'The Towers best solves the problem of where all displaced Arabs and their descendants go.'

That was never the cause of war, and removing that 'problem' will not stop the war. Here's a question: what makes you think the lack of land is the problem, rather than the reasons given by the combatants?

Matt Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:06:52 +0100



Matt,

<< That is factually incorrect. The 'palestinians' are not indigneous, native or whatever term you want to use.>>

You have an awful problem of accusing me of writing things that I never wrote. This has happened more than once.

I never used the words "indigenous" nor "native". I specifically used the word "occupied". These Arabs "occupied" the land of Israel for over 1800 years now.

In case you want to use the "native" argument to rid the land of Arabs, then the UN must return the continental United States (less Manhattan) back to the native American Indians using the same argument.



<< That was never the cause of war, and removing that 'problem' will not stop the war. Here's a question: what makes you think the lack of land is the problem, rather than the reasons given by the combatants? >>

Obviously, you haven't read this report http://www.sustain-memphis.org/israeli_palestinian_conflict.html and there are many more like it. There are many different versions about the causes of this Israel Palestine conflict. Some are strictly pro-Arab, some are strictly pro-Israel and some are in-between.

Before you say that these are lies, I am not here to debate them. Once again, my aim is only to promote the Towers and see that they are built. I am not here to take sides.

Also, I trust in my God that this is God's solution to the conflict for both Israelis and Arabs. Note that the feedback that I have already received from pro-Arab and (very intelligent) neutral individuals has been very positive for the Towers project.

I can no longer argue or debate the merits and demerits of Israelis and Arabs with you, as it simply does no good.

Regards,
John - Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:53:22 -0700 (PDT)

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